I’m new to this site, but it sounds like a great place.
I have some questions that maybe you could answer.
1. I am studying the subject of Ellen White as a prophet. I am currently reading the book by Rene Noorbergen “Prophet of Destiny” and on pages 21/22 there is a list of tests for a prophet. Are these Adventist tests or are these pretty mainstream also? We are trying to get a feel for how to test a prophet by the Bible and only the Bible. I personally have no problem with Ellen White as a prophet, but some of my friends are questioning. I think it’s a great way to really test what you believe, so it’s a lot of fun to find that what I believe is right. Even if my other friends never learn anything, I am!

2. In Paul’s writings he says that women are to sit quietly in church, not teach, or preach. Is that true for today or is it just a cultural thing for that time? I have no problem either way I guess, but Shane & I were discussing it. He thinks that it was a cultural thing or that Paul put his feelings in there and it’s what Paul felt was best. I said that the Bible was not a place for someone opinion. If there’s opinions in the Bible, then how are we to discern the difference?

Maybe this seems silly, but its important to me. I like to question things so that I know what I think I know. There’s no hurry in answering, I am patient & understand that you are very busy. Thank you!!

Sincerely,
Heidi Greet
Buffalo WY SDA church

How to test prophets
SealingTime Ministries
http://www.SealingTime.com Page 1 2007-04-04
Biblical Tests of a Prophet
By Ryan McCoy
(All texts NKJV)

1. 100% Prophetic Accuracy
a. Deuteronomy 18:22 – “When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if
the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD
has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be
afraid of him.”
b. Jeremiah 28:9 – “As for the prophet who prophesies of peace, when the word
of the prophet comes to pass, the prophet will be known as one whom the
LORD has truly sent.”

2. Biblical Faithfulness
a. Deuteronomy 13:1-4 – “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of
dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder
comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other
gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not
listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD
your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with
all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the LORD your God
and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall
serve Him and hold fast to Him.”

3. Exalts Jesus
a. 1 John 4:1-2 – “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits,
whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the
world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that
Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God.”
b. Revelation 19:10 – “And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me,
“See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren
who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is
the spirit of prophecy.”

4. Commandment Keeping
a. Isaiah 8:20 – “To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according
to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
b. 1 Corinthians 14:37 – “If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let
him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments
of the Lord.”

5. Physical Tests
a. Numbers 24:4 – “The utterance of him who hears the words of God, who sees
the vision of the Almighty, who falls down, with eyes wide open.”
b. Daniel 10:8 - Therefore I was left alone when I saw this great vision, and no
strength remained in me; for my vigor was turned to frailty in me, and I
retained no strength.”
c. Daniel 10:17 – “For how can this servant of my lord talk with you, my lord?
As for me, no strength remains in me now, nor is any breath left in me.”

6. Spiritual Fruitage
a. Matthew 7:20 – “Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”

7. Prophetic Gift will be until the End
a. Acts 2:17-18 – “‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I
will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall
prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream
dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My
Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy.”
b. Ephesians 4:11-13 – “And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some
prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping
of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of
God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.”
c. Revelation 12:17 – “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he
went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments
of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
d. Revelation 10:11 – “And he said to me, “You must prophesy again about
many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.”

8. True Church has Prophecy
a. Revelation 19:10 – “And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me,
“See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren
who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is
the spirit of prophecy.”
b. 1 Corinthians 12:28 – “And God has appointed these in the church: first
apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of
healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.”

9. Bible advice about true prophets
a. 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 – “Do not despise prophecies. test all things; hold
fast what is good.”
b. 2 Peter 1:19 – “And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do
well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the
morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of
Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will
of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.”

Ellen G. White Holds to these standards. I have seen cases made against her. Their best try was in saying that she thought that she would see the Lord come during her life.
See Testimonies for the Church Vol. 1 Pg 131,2 (1856)
Testimonies for the Church Vol 3 pg. 159 (1872)
Because time is short, we should work with diligence and double energy. Our children may never enter college.

They said she was wrong, she didn’t see him come. They however failed to remember the idea of a conditional prophecy. Which is quite precisely described in
Jeremiah (a prophet) 18:5-10

5 Then the word of the LORD came to me: 6 “O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter does?” declares the LORD. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

The other references they give refer to the fact that she believed she will see God during the second coming and so will others close to her. This is true because she is now dead but will be raised again and WILL see him come, and she will lift from the earth into the clouds (unless she allowed her salvation to somehow slip from her grip in th last moments of her life).

Revelation 20:5,6
5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Not all prophecies are conditional. But Ellen Whites prophecy about seeing the Lord come was and she acknowledges this in “Testimonies for the Church Vol. 2” pg. 194 (1868), “Evangelism” pg. 695,696, and most concisely in “Desire of Ages” pg. 633,634 (1898)

Had the church of Christ done her appointed work as the Lord ordained, the whole world would before this have been warned and the Lord Jesus would have come to our earth in power and great glory."Desire of Ages” pg. 633,634 (1898)

As was mentioned in Jeremiah this was a conditional prophecy and was left to the influence of the people of this planet. We are still working toward the goals that must be met before the advent of our Lord.

You mentioned the fact that women were not encouraged to speak in the days of Paul. It is my understanding that it was for their own safety and the reputation of the church. A womans ability to tell the truth, or to testify in a court of law was nil in those days (by opinion of the powers that were) God clearly used other women to teach and lead in other times, and now.

(Verses are incomplete)
Exodus 15:20
Then Miriam the prophetess, Aaron’s sister, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women followed her, with tambourines and dancing.

Judges 4:4
Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time.

Luke 2:36
There was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. Sh

Keep up the study!  and ALWAYS back up what you believe! and feel free to ask more questions.

Mr. Ferguson,
Thank you very much for the wonderful answers. I will be taking these to my study and handing them out to all the ladies there. We will be studing them!! It is so nice to be able to bounce questions off so many people as in this forum. God be with you all here!
Thank you again,
Heidi

Any time!
God bless your group and your family!

If you find yourself in need of study materials ever in your group. I suggest the Ron Halvorsen book “Prayer Warriors” Some of our small groups at 24-seven have become or are becoming more prayer oriented like the church in the book of Acts. This book shows what a powerful and necessary occupation of our time together this is and will be in days to come.

Jesse

Dear Jesse you said:
“Ellen G. White Holds to these standards. I have seen cases made against her. Their best try was in saying that she thought that she would see the Lord come during her life. “
That is not near to the real issue of the problem.
I do not want to be against or for E.W. but just am motivated to say..

If somebody wants to deal with reasoning about E.W. he or she will come to conclusion that there can not be much evidence that The prophet is Gods or not.

First, it is not true that
“the best try was in saying that she thought that she would see the Lord come during her life. “

The best try is to have evidence that when She said “Jesus told me in face, in vision” you find the same text which she gives to Jesus in past read book like History of reformation ! It is problem of “using others words and texts”.

Evidence is given in book The White lie by pastor Rea.
So to say that borrowing is not stealing is likewise when the real criminal said that, when he robs supermarket.
I am not here to fight against E.W. but just to try to be honest to God and men. If there is, and there is, good spiritual insights in Spirit of prophecy it must be seen with faith and heart, but to delusion some : not by reason !! Reason will lead to evidence and evidence to White lie, or the reason will go mad.... because there is no evidence to be sure… and lean to Prophet and that is Gods will. Just Christ is Gods stone. Now must say that there is no evidence for Historical Jesus also !  This is not the quest of reasoning but faith. When the Faith is defined it is not faith any more.

Hi Goran,

I’m glad you brought up this important subject. The White Lie makes many attempts to discredit EG White. This author however recanted after writing this book two different times then each time flip-flopped back to an attacking position. But to answer your question about EGW plagiarizing, it has been confirmed by several legal experts outside the Adventist church that this is false information. At the time EGW wrote it was not required or a common practice to give credit or reference to other authors as we do now. Again, she didn’t give credit because it wasn’t a normal thing to do then nor was there any law saying one had to do so.

My big concern with this debate is that EGW herself was not comfortable with the term “profit.” She preferred to be called a messenger if she had to be labeled anything. She is a lesser light trying to guild us to the Greater Light, Jesus & God’s word, The Bible.

God bless!

For Steve,
I beg to differ with you Pastor. She (EGW) is not a light, lesser or other (I am, by the way, aware of the “lesser light” talk). Only God is light. She’s just been used by God from time to time to provide a guidance for the SDA Church in the beginnings of the movement. And then, the Church made a goddess out of EGW. Instead to recognize that EGW (along with having some great insights provided by God) was a child of her time and made mistakes of her time, we tried to make her unerring. Maybe that is because of the fundamentalist drive of that time, but now we know better and still we are making the same mistake. It is just normal that someone like Rea will come and then we’ll call lawyers to read EGW’s books and to tell us that she did not plagiarize. Of course she did but Vincent Ramik (the copyright lawyer) will not tell us that because he was paid a lot of cash to deliver a message FOR the Church and EGW, not against it.
OK, I do not know if it is wise to discuss these matters here, they may accomplish nothing and, on the other side, be devastating to someone’s faith. So, if someone wants to read EGW and wants her to be hers/his spiritual authority, fine, nothing wrong with that, just allow others to have different opinion about her ministry.

Thanks for your reply. I actually think we agree in some areas you might assume we don’t.

But first, Jesus makes clear that He is THE Light, but we too are light:
14"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.” Matthew 5 (NIV). Thus, it is not inappropriate to call anyone who is serving God and helping people learn more about our savior a ‘lesser light’. We’re all supposed to be lights.

Ramik is not the only legal expert to confirm these changes. Copyright laws are always changing. They’re different today then when I was in high school. See http://www.caslon.com.au/ipchronology1.htm for just some of these changes throughout the world.

I do agree that some have made EGW into something she isn’t. I agree people can have their opinions about her (untrue statements though should be corrected). She’s not unerring. She not authoritative like the Bible. I’ve known some that bring her books rather than the Bible to church services and quote her as if she were scripture; that’s wrong. However, as a reaction to this misguided approach to EGW, some look for anything they can find (and sometimes fabricate) to discredit and slander someone who dedicated her life to serving God and His people (and no, she wasn’t always perfect in doing so - but neither were any but Christ alone). The truth lies in the middle of these two opposing factions.

And finally, I agree that debate rarely solves anything. Hopefully this is a discussion to make us look at more than one side of the coin.

God bless!

dear Pastor,

I am very sorry to see your answer to me in “pastors” style. From this site I expected some more honesty.
What you said is just not true. You like all pastors have been said in adventists college all that. The true is THAT EITHER YOURS PROFESSORS or YOU EVER READ The White Lie book, even you do not have it in your hand!
I have it , and got in from Rea personally. He never recanted this book. It is SDA marketing and all that you said...too.

No mater, my text was not about that but to help SDA-s to see that the rationalism about prophet or Jesus Christ will not do good.

Is the definition of “honesty” when I agree with whatever you say?  I couldn’t quite follow your reasoning.  However it seems you are stating that all Adventist pastors and colleges got together in secret meetings or some other covert manner to build a web of lies about EGW.  Perhaps if you are hearing the same thing from all the people and institutions dedicated to building and serving this church then it could be possible they are correct rather than this man Rea and his book. 

Some parents, pastors, church leaders, and teachers have used EGW as a weapon and as a tool of manipulation.  Thankfully this is happening less today than in the past.  However, there are people who rightly feel attack and beaten down by the gross misuse of EGW’s writings.  For many of them her writings are still associated with the pain, guilt and shame they felt and still feel.  I’m so sorry they had this experience and I pray God brings them healing and restoration. 

For those of you reading this thread this is a good time to point out a few unwritten but generally accepted rules of discussion:

1 - Stay on the topic.
2 - Those who can only attack the person rather than defend their stance on an issue usually don’t truly understand the issue: attack the facts, not the person.
3 - A person claiming someone is a liar or a part of some conspiracy to hide truth shows that they will stubbornly stand by their views no matter what the facts may be, and turns what could be a helpful discussion into a useless argument.  Angry words and accusations never get people to change their views.
4 - True skepticism is great.  But to be a true skeptic you must look at all the evidence thoroughly with an open mind before making a decision (and often you are not able to do so definitively).  Looking at only one point of view on an issue is not skepticism; it’s being bull-headed.
5 - Emotion and pain skew good judgment.  It’s true, we are emotional creatures.  And when we feel an argument should go a certain way we generally look at only the facts that supports the result that makes us feel better.  We also tend to discredit facts if presented by someone or an institution that has caused us pain in the past no matter how valid their argument may be. 

No one is perfect or can be perfectly neutral before making a decision.  But, the more neutral and open minded we try to be as we consider all aspects of an issue the more truth we can find. 

God bless!

I do not think that we talking about the same thing. My English is not sufficient. Sorry for that.
There is no conspiracy (secret meetings) but there is ignorance.
I know that on SDA college they do not give students book White lie to read. They give You final conclusion, and problem is that you still repulse to do the reading. You give what they teach you. It is not honesty when You bust to read something which can affect what You preach to believers.

I think I’m following what you are saying. No, they don’t give us that book to read in college. They also do not give us a book that indoctrinates us on how to think about EGW. We don’t read anything about how to refute those who attack her either. We also don’t bring in and teach from the satanic Bible when we study the life of Christ, we don’t read Playboy magazine when studying how to live a life a purity, and we don’t read bomb making instructions when talking about the peace of Christ. I can’t recall any class that emphasized her writings except one when we studied the life of Christ we read the four Gospels and parts from the Desire of Ages that mirrored where we were in the Bible. We studied from many books and authors, but the Bible was certainly our main text.

I haven’t read the entire book on my own but have read enough to believe that Rea, in my opinion, seems to exaggerate and my feeling is he is writing not just to discredit EGW but also to get back at the church he was fired from. I’ve never met this man but his writings have a similar mocking, angry tone I’ve seen from people who are angry conspiracy theorists. His research is vast and impressive, but his findings are anything but unbiased.

Have you read this? http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/whitelie.html This answers a lot of the accusations made by Rea. Of course this is biased too from the opposite side.

Again, the main issue I feel is the use of EGW. She is not the Bible. The Bible alone is our final authority. EGW never claimed to be on the same standing as the Bible. If you chose not to read her then don’t. If you chose to read her I feel you’ll find a beautiful picture of God. And as far as preaching, it is extremely rare that I use EGW quotes in my messages (maybe once every year or two). On the extremely rare occasion that I do quote her I do so as I would any other author, “Ty Gibson makes a great point in his book...”, “I like what Ellen White wrote in the Desire of Ages...” It personally makes me cringe when speakers say, “We hear from the prophetess...”, or “The Lady writes...” I don’t believe EGW would find that acceptable either. For me, I think there is unfortunately too much controversy and misinformation surrounding her writings to use them in my messages. Besides, she isn’t the Bible. I believe our messages must be from God’s Word (EGW says the same thing too).

God bless!

Hi, I am glad that we come to following of each other…
I must say that Satanic Bible and Playboy is not good comparatives to our issue. Because, we do not want to serve Satan but God.  About Playboy magazine, must say, that we know what contains and than not read it. If you want erotic it is good and sufficient to visit SDA church on Sabbath and there you can get it.
So, it is maybe irony, but is true. I think that we people in our life come to spots when we are interest in Satanic bible and in the erotic and pornography likewise.
It is not the same thing with E.W. She is the prophet of Remnant Church or SDA is not that church. The Spirit of prophecy (fundamental believes 18. and in baptism question 8. Do you accept the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and do you believe that the gift of prophecy in the remnant church is one of the identifying marks of that church?) is the SIGN of REMNANT AND “source of truth”.
Ellen is not like erotic or some other issue. It is the special gift of Spirit of Jesus or it is not. 
We run from Rea not because he is hurting Ellen but because he is hurting The Remnant theology. If we continued to talk about E.W and Bible it will be good to go direct way and ask what is the benefit of Spirit of Prophecy to unfitting of Christian believers?
I read E..W. books and compilations (not all, but all I can get) and must say that I have some good spiritual insights from her and that writings give me spirit of prayer. Whatsoever from the point of theologian it is forcible to me to ask : what is the benefit of Ellen White influence in theology? The main point of all of Her writings is Gospel of together:  faith in Jesus and Law keeping (1+1=Gospel) with perspective on future comings of Sabbath / Sunday issue.  Those things are not easy seen in Bible. To believe that Gospel we must acknowledge authority of Ellen White and her interpretation of Gospel. It is not sufficient to said that E.W. leads to Bible and vice verse. Some adjustments must be maid to read Bible in Ellen s way. Egz.: - Sola fides from epistle to Romans is given interpretation that Paul means to ceremonial Law and not moral Law - but Paul did not say it like that.
- Jesus in Gospels openly spoke about Soul and Hell and Paradise .... it is corrected by Ellen like that: Jesus talk in the way listeners believe in that time and place....but Jesus never claim that insight.
So, I think it is not easy to overlook Ellen - prophet issue and said BIBLE AND BIBLE only.
P.S.
Is not in fundamental book of SDA : The Great conrtoversy between Christ and Satan; allso some of conspiracy theory about Satan who conspirate with dark angels against God and than be caught with hand in honey at The End?

Hi Goran and Steve,

Lets leave the Satanic Bible and Playboy OUT of this discussion.
Goran, in your last reply you mention Remnant church. You also mention whether or not EGW is the prophet for that church.

Jesus spent some intense time teaching his disciples how to believe and teach. I believe that if we follow their example in ACTS we will be ready and set to be the end time remnant church. The newly formed church in ACTS showed all the signs of a church in proper alignment with God. He gave them the Holy Spirit, spiritual gifts (prophecy, tongues, healing etc.), they kept ALL TEN of the commandments, they were known for eating with each other, praying together, and study of the scriptures and the apostles teachings (remember who taught the apostles...Jesus) and last...they were willing to die for what they believed in, YES even the threat of death would not sway them away from their solid learning and proclaiming the gospel.

Allow US as those who know that Gods coming is drawing near stick to this format and have the passion for truth (unto death) that these men and women had.

Do not get your theology from ME or STEVE or E.G.W. or REA… get it from the Bible.

If Ellen G.W. is an inspired writer (by God) then her visions will be mirrored in the future. (keep your eyes open for the actions of the apostate church in involvement with government, a Sunday worship Law, false christs, and natural disasters that wipe out millions of people) there are many more too that she specifically mentions. If you see these things happen, say to yourself “Well, Ellen White was right about that HAH! I’m glad I had some kind of warning!”

DON’T turn around and worship her, and
DON’T start using her books like scripture.

Reading Ellen White has helped me be aware of the danger of apostate religion.
Reading Ellen White has brought to mind many very extreme predictions about the physical state of the world in the last days.
Reading Ellen White prompts me to READ THE BIBLE MORE and grow closer to my friend Jesus.
Reading Ellen White helped me understand how much Jesus loves me...more than I thought, (Praise God!)
^
BUT...I did not need Ellen White to realize any of this,^^ (its all in the Bible). It just made the process faster.

PS. I believe that Satan and his dark angels WILL be caught with their hands in the honey at the end. I am happy about this, it is justice.

Great post Jesse, Thanks!

Jesse, It was romantic to read your post.
Ah, that church in ACTS....so romantic....

In ACTS, never is actually written that “THEY” kept ALL TEN of the commandments.
You exactly shown what I am trying to say.
Gospel of Ellen influenced Your mind that when you open whatsoever part of Bible you see The Ten Commandments.
There is no TEN in New Testament mentioned in that way. It was my question:  Gospel of only faith in Jesus or Gospel of faith in Jesus plus keeping TEN with special notification on Sabbath ....
There is no Sabbath importance in New testament. Importance is given in vision of Ellen when she saw Sabbath flashing in Haven Sanctuary more than other nine of TEN...If You see this in Bible you must indoctrinate Your private Bible.
If it is so simple like when you tried to give away all discussion about The topic with statement:  “Hail Bible!"and if Bible and Ellen says similar theology, I challenge You to
done with me boring you on this site with just one post which will destroy my speech.
You need just one post!
In that post you must note JUST ONE verse from New Testament which says that it is needful to keep Sabbath! 
If you do that without reinterpretation but just with Bible verse I will back out.
P.S.
In past I was allso that romantic, but life decant me.

Goran,

Hebrews 4 1Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. 3Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ “And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. 4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: ”And on the seventh day God rested from all his work.” 5And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”
6It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience. 7Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before:
“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” 8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.

Luke 4:16 He (Jesus) went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.

1 Peter 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

These are just a few of the many texts that answer your question. One of the reasons the New Testament writers did not restate the 10 commandments as a set (though they are all found in NT) was because they did not separate their writings from the Old Testament as many tend to do today. Rather, they saw their writing as a continuation of what had been written before. So, there was no reason to restate everything that had been written if it wasn’t to be replaced but rather added to with the life and teachings of God on Earth: Jesus.

Nothing I have written above is quoted from EGW. Though I’m sure she says something similar. This is straight from study of the romantic scriptures.

God bless!

Hi Goran,
Just a few questions if you please.
Do you love Jesus?
Do you think Jesus kept the ten commandments?
Are there any prophets or disciples in your study of the bible that weren’t persecuted and or discredited because they pointed people to God?

Danny

Goran, the condition you set in your last post…

You need just one post!
In that post you must note JUST ONE verse from New Testament which says that it is needful to keep Sabbath!
If you do that without reinterpretation but just with Bible verse I will back out.
Was an odd condition. I think you wanted to avoid logical sequences like the “hypothetical syllogism” The Bible contains no logical fallacies and if we understand the language of logic we can infer (know from reasoning) from two texts like…

John 14:10
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. (see also John 1:1)

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

that Jesus (speaking in the John verse) is God, and that gives him authority about ALL of the scriptures when he says…

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Your concern about how to infer facts from the scriptures is valid. When someone is unaware about logical rules, this can lead them into fallacies as they try to deduce something. Let me assure you, I am (as many scholars are) a student of logic and work diligently to keep all of my learning and therefore doctrine free of errors in reasoning.
We just determined for certain that Jesus told us that he was part of the Godhead. He therefore has authority and what he asserts is truth. In John we see…

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command…

and since he himself acknowledged all of the scriptures authority (inferred from Luke 24:27)

Luke 24:27
27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to
them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

(I know that this is overkill) we can obviously use the old testament as it is Gods words too.

Lets see Psalm 119:160
All your words are true;
all your righteous laws are eternal.

What are Gods Laws?...the ten commandments. How many of them are relevant today? All of them. We learned this from the Bible.

Goran, are you familiar with the Mosaic Law? DO you know how to define the difference between Gods Law and the Mosaic law?

The Mosaic law (kept in a different part of the arc of the covenant from the Ten Commandment Tablets) is the laws about hygiene, sacrifice, etc.

Most of the Christian world believes that The Sabbath is part of the discarded mosaic law. I can show you clearly that this is not the case, if you feel the need.

Jesse and Steve,

YOU DID NOT GIVE ME answer to my challenge ! Read it again! I said KEEP THE SABBATH.
Those verses are easy to put down, but there is no sense.
New Testament does mentioned commandments but never actually call us to KEEP them.
There is a good and simple text which does the problem away. It is ROM 10: 
Romans 10:1-21
1. Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7. Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8. But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15. And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16. But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

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Danny,
you must be a boss in this site. So just for You I write one more post:

Just a few questions if you please.
Do you love Jesus? YES
Do you think Jesus kept the ten commandments? NO because: 2Corinthians 5:21:For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Are there any prophets or disciples in your study of the bible that weren’t persecuted and or discredited because they pointed people to God? Ellen was not persecuted; If there is some questions about her writings it does not mean that she is persecuted and or discredited. What is public is to be observe by public. 
Another question: IS TEN COMMANDMENTS HOLY AND JUST ? YES
DO YOU THINK THAT WE ADVENTISTS REALLY KEEP THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ? NO.

I am SDA member, so I know ..............
To help Jesse and Steve : 1.John 2,4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. but still remains that THE SABBATH is not mentioned, and Ellen is THE ONE that is pick up Sabbath as THE biggest commandment above other nine. AND THAT IS FACT. If you people loved her so much way do not credit her for that ? Who is here for and who is against Ellen , me or you ? You trying to give her away and keep your influence on believer allso; and that is not honesty!